Guess What? Obamacare Bill Raises Health Care Premiums

Well if Lush said it then we're all home free. I wonder what Lush wants to do next to better our country? Oh that's right. He's just a satirical bullsh1ter.

When are you righties going to realize your World doesn't start or end when Lush decides to loosen his sphincter and release your noses?

I guess when you figure out that tax tax tax and spend spend spend doesnt work and never has for any country. Trillion dollar deficits per year now the highest they have ever been and now the largest entitlement program in our history to add onto those trillion dollar deficits. Whose going to pay them according to you I guess they will just go away or no one will ever notice them. Hell BO and company pass bills and dont even know what is in them and they tell us they are good for everyone and wont cost us a dime yea right LMFAO when has the government ever done anything that didnt cost the tax payers.

Hell BO and company pass bills and dont even know what is in them and they tell us they are good for everyone and wont cost us a dime yea right LMFAO when has the government ever done anything that didnt cost the tax payers.

Is that you Rush?

Well if Lush said it then we're all home free. I wonder what Lush wants to do next to better our country? Oh that's right. He's just a satirical bullsh1ter.

How quickly did you skim the vine article before formulating that opinion...or have you bothered to do ANY research into it? Just because Rush said it doesn't mean that it it's right...but it also doesn't mean that it's wrong. In fact, someone else also stated it (and is from the links provided):

Or maybe not so gradually, judging by the study released last last week by Richard Foster, the Obama Administration's Medicare actuary. Mr. Foster predicts net national health spending will increase by about 1% annually above the status quo that is already estimated to be $4.7 trillion in 2019. This is one more rebuke to the White House fantasy that a new entitlement will lower health costs.

Most of ObamaCare's unrealistic "savings" come from cranking down the way Medicare calculates its price controls, and Mr. Foster writes that they'll grow "more slowly than, and in a way that was unrelated to, the providers' costs of furnishing services to beneficiaries." He expects that 15% of hospital budgets may be driven into deficits, thus "possibly jeopardizing access to care for beneficiaries."

So while I will concede that Rush's saying it doesn't mean that it's true, will you agree that if Obama's own people are saying it, that it might be worth mentioning???

Such an impeccible source of accurate and unbiased information you have selected to seed this article! As I've noted in other comments over the last year, some of you should form a Newsvine group specifically for those of the position "EVERYTHING Obamao Does Is Wrong and We Will NEVER Accept Him As Our President Under ANY Circustances!!" By so doing, people who have legitimate policy and strategy difference with him among both conservatives and liberals (because we do) will be able to have meaningful debates without having to wade through the mindless rants. Although I have to admit that sometime you all are so over the top that it becomes truly entertaining!

You found the info on RushLimbaugh.com and believe it? LOL

And you support your finding with links to those right wing reports? Check your facts somewhere that's not biased please.

Thanks for exposing yet another REPUBLICAN FAILURE, GrimCreeper.

Well, we already know that Obama's health care bill will reduce costs, but thanks again for reminding everyone and spreading the fact further and wider that it was Republicans fault that scuttled the public option, which would have reduced rates even further and fostered competition. And as for doing nothing, rates were *already* escalating by the republican coddled insurance companies anyway, by as much as 39%!

Thanks for publishing this and exposing that this is nothing to do with Obama but rather the fact that Rising Premiums are entirely the FAULT of Conservative Republicans.

Good work exposing Republicans for their failure on this, Grim Reaper!

You know it's kinda sad when you all blame each side and you don't see what is in the middle..And that would be both sides are to blame NOT just one side..The way I see it is that if they want something to pass the parties put on a show and start to blame each side and then they bring the people in on it and no matter what we want they ALWAYS do what ever they want anyhow and make us pay for it.. Remember there either getting something out of it or there getting paid to vote a certain way. There all CROOKS. And there always voting for money not for the people.. We need to get rid of every single person in there and start voting real people into office like farmers, steel workers, and people of small business's everyday people who know how hard it is out here in the real world those are the people we need to put into office.. So stop falling for the puppet show and lets work together and find out who is going to stand up for the people not for there pocket book...

Well, we already know that Obama's health care bill will reduce costs,

McSpocky & NB, good to see that you did not read any of the articles or posts above. As Shawn already stated, a study from Richard Foster, the Obama Administration's Medicare actuary, shows that the Health Care Bill will not reduce costs.

Mr. Foster predicts net national health spending will increase by about 1% annually above the status quo that is already estimated to be $4.7 trillion in 2019. This is one more rebuke to the White House fantasy that a new entitlement will lower health costs. Most of ObamaCare's unrealistic "savings" come from cranking down the way Medicare calculates its price controls, and Mr. Foster writes that they'll grow "more slowly than, and in a way that was unrelated to, the providers' costs of furnishing services to beneficiaries." He expects that 15% of hospital budgets may be driven into deficits, thus "possibly jeopardizing access to care for beneficiaries."

It is strange that I see this now on the vine because on Friday MSNBC had it posted a very similar article for a very short time. I glossed through quickly at 7:30 AM and by 8:30 it had been removed. Sad thing is unlike our more niave left posters I always knew it was about money, power, and legacy. That is all it is about. Yeah the winds of change look like the same since 1992. Just two cents from one who has not voted for a president from either party starting with 1988. If you put them in a bag and shake it they all come out the exact way and that is they look alike. They are all money and power hungry indviduals just this last one has been known to hang with those that totally want to topple the United States Government.(examples Bill Ayers, Van Jones etc, etc etc.)

No,No and again NO! the health care legislation itself DID NOT! The insurance cabal is raising rates and terminating policies in retaliation for Americans wanting to be treated fairly. WellPoint is terminating policies of women with breast cancer these insurance company death panels will continue this until only the wealthy can afford health care..and THAT is exactly what the Republicans want. Fail again Grim..when are you going to start supporting the American people in the struggle against the Right and their horrendous agenda.

Why don't you just quote health insurance executives Grim? Oh wait, Rush is paid to speak on their behalf so there is no need for that.

Rush Limbaugh frequently sites himself as a source. LOL He loves the sound of voice.

Article source: RushLimbaugh.com

R&R&ROTFLMAO!!!

Shadow and what the f ever.

In 2019 how much will health care costs and insurance rise annually on their own without Obamacare? I'll lay a wager it's much more than the puny little 1% you're making such a stink about. As far as hospitals losing 15% in budgets. Thus far only a possibility and not a proven fact. But a big freaking right wing spin and that's good enough for you. People wouldn't be jambing up the ERs at higher rates and tax payers covering those bills because those people couldn't afford to go anywhere else but the ER. I'd rather the hospitals lose 15% than We The People having to continue to pay those outrageous rates that we already are now. That is the essence of the reform to begin with. Saving tax payer dollars. And do you still think those rates won't go up without some reform? Dream on Lushbaughlians.

The "increase in premiums was known and publicized, by Obama himself at the summit. Why are you acting like this is breaking news? The increase is a result of minimum standards in coverage. What good is a policy that does not cover the most cost effective and efficient care? But when compared to the premiums for comparable coverage the premiums are lower.

Rick, I don't know how to break this to you, but when Reagan cut taxes, the deficit soared. When Bush 41 raised taxes, and Clinton later did the same, the recession of the late 80's ended, and the deficit vanished. When Bush 43 cut taxes, the deficit skyrocketed to all time highs. Notice a pattern here? Sorry if this is challenging an article of religious faith for you, because supply siders act that way about their economic theory, which has never once worked in practice. But the earth revolves around the sun, and cutting taxes always raises the deficit, whether you like it or not.

Let's say we don't do any analysis and just use our intuition based on past government programs, the Alinskyite approach to legislation, and the smoke and mirrors typically employed to make the numbers work. What is the result? We will pay and pay and pay for a program that is supposed to cost nothing. It's lies, lies, lies -- not matter who's telling them.

grim

you just plagiarized rush limbaugh. the least you could do is to put quotes around your whole post. i thought that they were your words until i clicked on the related article.

"brave1forever" wrote:"you all blame each side and you don't see what is in the middle..And that would be both sides are to blame NOT just one side..The way I see it is that if they want something to pass"=WRONG!

It is Not correct that both sides wanted something to pass! You forget, it was the Republicans who are the party of NO, party of BLOCK EVERY ADVANCEMENT, and the party of FAILURE, that wanted NOTHING to pass! Nothing. So that condition was that YOUR health insurance rates were SKYROCKETING at a whopping 39 nearly 40%! a Year! So your entire premise is thrown out.

Here's some MATH for you:

Democrats = 1 , divide in the middle equals 1/2! Willing to meet in the middle!

Republicans = 0, divide 0 by anything and you end up with a big skewed extremist ZERO!

"Kill the Bill" remember that? Hmm? Republican Teabagger.

Republicans ruined the public option(Republican FAILURE!), which would have lowered rates, as Obama wanted! Now, under Obama, EMERGENCY ROOM charges will be alleviated (Obama win), therefore insurance companies *could* decrease rates if Republicans hadn't brown-nosed them into raising them even more even despite that (Republican FAILURE!), insurance companies would have already gotten a "gift" of 40 million new customers! (Obama business win!), and children will be covered(Obama & Children and American Family win!).

All sourpuss about your rates, hmm? Go whine to yourself in the mirror conservative teabagger because you did it to yourself, and socked it to your own family and child by derailing the public option. Just go put a hose from your own mouth to your own ear and whine about it. Your Fault.

In 2019 how much will health care costs and insurance rise annually on their own without Obamacare? I'll lay a wager it's much more than the puny little 1% you're making such a stink about.

Gary, you need to reread the information. It says Obama's Health Care Bill will raise rates an additional 1% over what the status quo would be. Do you understand now? Rates will be higher than if we did nothing.

NEWS BULLETIN, If I am understanding your post, you are saying that the public option was the key to bringing DOWN insurance and health care costs. That is what I had thought all along. So, the Republicans don't let the public option pass, and now they are bitching because health care costs are going up. It's the Republicans fault, not President Obama's fault.

PfftWhatever! tried to pull a fast one on everyone here, writing: "McSpocky & NB, good to see that you did not read any of the articles or posts above. As Shawn already stated, a study from Richard Foster, the Obama Administration's Medicare actuary, shows that the Health Care Bill will not reduce costs. 'Foster predicts net national health spending will increase by about 1% annually'"=FALSE!

This is debunked. Look, ok, will go easy on you here since you are obviously new to this here. What you have done here even has a name to it. It's called CONFLATION! You've committed conflation. This is a post in which you discredit yourself by comparing 2 dissimilar items that are improperly related to one-another.

Look mate, 'Costs' are not identical to 'spending'! You obviously don't know anything about business. Here, this will be an example for you. School is in session...

Pretend you own a little LEMONADE STAND. It costs you 1 dollar, and the customer spends 2 on it when they purchase it from you. On the 1st day, 1 customer comes by, and buys 1. Ok, now, costs were 1 dollar! Spending was 2 dollars. Costs are not the same as spending, you are already debunked. Got it so far?

Now, on Day 2, that same customer comes again. And he buys another one, only THIS TIME HE BRINGS 39 MILLION MORE CUSTOMERS WITH HIM! Ok. Now, guess what. Your costs just went UP. Now you have to buy 39million and one packets of lemonade and it just cost you 39 million and one dollars. Oh, and look, spending went up too! Oh, no Spending balooned up from 2 dollars to 78,000,002 dollars! Oh, gee, could it be because there are 39 million NEW customers generating NEW business each now able to purchase it and spend 2 dollars? Ahem. And guess what, Pfft, YOU as a business, just cleared 38,999,999 or nearly 40 MILLION Dollars in profit! Up from 1 dollar the day before. Ok. So under "ObamaCare" everyone benefits! Now, what the insurance companies are having the disgusting gall to do, is not LOWER rates even though they aren't having to cover EMERGENCY Rooms and because of improved rmedical ecords efficiency, fewer unnecessary CYA tests needed, etc, and they didn't even have the wherewithall to be thankful for MILLIONS more in profit from the addition of 40 million new customers, but since Republicans negated the public option, they now own all of the stands, and since they know you need the drink of water to survive and be healthy, these gougers have the gall that every time you come back they are RAISING the rates! $2 to $2.50, then 2.50 to $3.00, then doubling it to $4 the next time you look! And then who knows! That's what was happening. And insurance companies were playing seinfeld "SOUPNAZI" with your family's and children's lives with their pre-existing conditions, "rescission", and denial of coverage! Playing with people's lives. Any person cheering for Republicans, or insurance companies, or pre-existing conditions is promoting harm to American lives. Against Americans. But people's lives are not a game! People died because they did not have coverage for preventative care, or proper treatment! People died. REPUBLICAN FAIL!

And with regard to any premiums UP, there is good reason for that too! Now, with preventative care available, people can AVOID getting some illnesses in the 1st place! And people who were formerly blocked from coverage, now have all kinds of programs and choices available! So even people who already had *some* coverage might look now and say, "Oh, wow, now I can buy dental, vision, preventative, wow! Hey! I wouldn't even mind buying some of those new things available! Even if I have to pay more than I did before, I'm going to CHOOSE to do so because now I can!" Under ObamaCare now you have CHOICE!

Ok, school is out. Go home. Do your homework, sections 1 through 14.

funny as @!$%# to see the borrow and spend GOP.. get pissed over health care costs that will rise less than they would have without the bill.

funny as @!$%# the racist GOP calling the dems fiscally irresponcible when they unified in opposition to paygo.. you know the thing they had to repeal so they wouldnt have to pay for @!$%# for 8 years.. as they tried to starve the beast.

and starve the beast IS NOT A LIBERAL LIE.. it is the GOP ideology.

Terrorists could only dream of being as harmful to the US as the GOP are.

notice they had zero problems passing medicare plan D? cause they diont give a @!$%# about paying for it.. and they want you to think this is good for america.

tweetheart44 WROTE:

"NEWS BULLETIN, If I am understanding your post, you are saying that the public option was the key to bringing DOWN insurance and health care costs. That is what I had thought all along. So, the Republicans don't let the public option pass, and now they are bitching because health care costs are going up. It's the Republicans fault, not President Obama's fault."

#1.22 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:47 PM EDT

CORRECT!!

Tweetheart44, you get an A! And a gold star too. :)

Yes, you see, WITH the public option, then the customer has a choice, that means competition! So when the public option offers abc for $123 then the insurance company has to do something to make that customer WANT to buy from the company rather than the public option, so, that means the company has to either give the customer (YOU) a lower price to get you to buy it from them (lower rates!) or, give you better care and coverage!

You win, your family wins, the insurance company wins because they just got 40 million more customers woth of business, businesses would spend millions on advertising to obtain that, look at the superbowl! Underinsured win, they now can buy more full-featured plans, the uninsured win, they can now live, and have insurance at all, ObamaCare is something to be proud of!

But what you said is exactly right. Republicans, (who by the way would have had THEIR insurance permiums even lower too!) pulled this fiasco of scaring the elderly saying people were out to 'kill grandma', and that embarassment Palin factually incorrect talking about her 'death panels', and Teabaggers gloating around with signs boasting the oxymoronic "Socialized Medicine Keep your Hands off my Medicare!" signs, and Republican John Boner, Chuck GrASSley, and so forth throwing a fit, claiming "Armageddon is coming!!" and ruining the public option, so now there is less competition, the insurance companies now have No impetus to lower their rates as much, and Republicans did it to everyone and themselves too, and are now complaining about it.

Remember also! Rush Limbaugh the pied piper of the Republican Party is a man who was on drugs!

Rush Limbaugh was caught engaged in drug abuse! This man was giving his radio show and coming up with all his things, everything that came out of his mouth, for years, and YEARS, all the while his brain was under the influence of drugs. And these people Republicans absorbed all that, believed it, which very well could be drug-influenced, and a few continue to be suckered in by this drug-influenced Humpty-Dumpty sitting in his chair. That's why so many people on here are laughing that someone actually seeded an article from him. :)

It says Obama's Health Care Bill will raise rates an additional 1% over what the status quo would be. Do you understand now? Rates will be higher than if we did nothing.

Of course I understand. I don't believe it and I'm calling y'all liars.

gary

now there is an honest assessment.

everything that came out of his mouth, for years, and YEARS, all the while his brain was under the influence of drugs. And these people Republicans absorbed all that, believed it, which very well could be drug-influenced, and a few continue to be suckered in by this drug-influenced Humpty-Dumpty sitting in his chair.

Nutshell!

As Pelosi said, we'll find out what's in the bill after we pass it. And libs had NO problem with that.

Grim Creeper,

Is there a direct correlation between the new Health Care Reform signed into law by the President and this increase in premiums? Or how about, does the new law mandate increases in health insurance premiums?

The answer to both questions is a resounding "No". It is the Insurance companies that are solely responsible for raising their premiums.

How long will you keep up your "dog and pony show" with the facts?

"How many times are people going to fall for this dog and pony show?" That's what I have to wonder every time I hear someone quote Rush Limbaugh. This is the same guy who was bloviating about how the miners at the Upper Big Branch died because their union failed to get proper safety measures enforced -- without ever bothering to check whether they HAD a union. They didn't -- the management had strongarmed them with threats to close the mine if they organized. Three things you can be sure of about Rush: he will say absolutely anything if he thinks it makes Democrats look bad, he will never check his facts, and he will never retract a false statement.

Then maybe it's time to pass a few reforms to the health care bill. Now that there's a foundation in place, we can build on it.

irrepair,

Not that I'm defending them, but I don't believe that the repubs had enough votes to knock down anything?

How many times are the people going to fall for this dog and pony show? Why do we always have to hear the truth AFTER a bad bill becomes a law?

@!$%#ing lol.. if you think the "truth" is anywhere near a half dozen right wing links... you havent been paying attention for over a decade.

tell me this my friend.. find the section of the bill that forces granney and trigg to commit suicide?

how abotu this.. you find the WMDS east west and north of bagdad?

still think when we are talking about wire taps we are talking warrants?

still believe that crap?

Sorry man.. i have never read the truth from a republican biased link.. and nothing even close to reality in the past year and most of america sees that..

yall love to quote health care polls.. how about go look at any poll you want.. rasmuessen included./. and tell me how the american people feel about leaving it in the GOPs hands.

Not that I'm defending them, but I don't believe that the repubs had enough votes to knock down anything?

really?

first the dems never had 60 seats.. they had 58.. and now 57.. there were 2 indpendants.

unlike the GOP the dems dont vote in lockstep.. thats why through out history the GOP have never had to fight for a dem vote.. they can get three or 4.

now the dems in congress who happen to the the top 5% in income people, have to vote agasint their best self interests to help the little people..

it tends to be easier to make sure that they dont have 60 votes when the people who have to pay for this crap are the same ones voting for it.

what should make you ill.. not one of these GOPrs in this thread, gave a @!$%# that republicans in congress held up critical obama appointments, FOR EARMARKS..
thats right the GOP in congress.. you know the oens freaking out about earmarks and complaining obama lied when ever there is one in the bill.. demanded that obama give them earmarks.. in order for them to stop blocking a nomineee.

I don't believe that the repubs had enough votes to knock down anything?

Actually, in the Senate they do.

Bills have to make it out of committee, through procedure, and then to the floor. Republicans have exercised every single procedure to prevent any Dem legislation.

filibuster!