The Great Unifier, Barack Obama, is a Race Baiter

I don't think so. He has simply shown us the true state of race relations in this contry.

I don't think so. He has simply shown the true state of affairs in this country.

-----"Obama has set race relations in the US back 50 years."

That's not true. He has simply shown the true state of race relations in the greater part of this country.

Which is about 100 years shy of where the GOP would like to take them.

Which is about 100 years shy of where the GOP would like to take them.

Don't get sarcastic because Barry has achieved the unthinkable.

You're right Patriot. Race relations are not going to get better in America when the man holding the highest office keeps stoking the flames by fear-mongering; Obama is telling black America that the other party are, essentially, a bunch of racists, a completely baseless claim. But then again, after his Chamber of Commerce debacle, Obama is getting quite a reputation for making claims that he can't justify.

America to Obama: Stop playing the race card.

Don't get sarcastic because Barry has achieved the unthinkable.

Who is being sarcastic?

Obama is telling black America that the other party are, essentially, a bunch of racists, a completely baseless claim.

What exactly do you mean by "essentially"?

Obama has set race relations in the US back 50 years.

Going by the hegemonic right's definition of "race relations", which you all see as good or bad according to your perception of how much or little black people are being "uppity", he certainly has set back "race relations" 50 years:). All he had to do was get elected President in order to set "race relations" back 50 years...at least in your eyes.

By the way, in your mind, was there ever a time when "race relations" were good? If so, when was it?

America to Obama: Stop playing the race card.

Americans to the Repubs. Bye bye to you in November. It is the power of the American people to vote that upsets the Repubs because Americans will continue to take back their country and keep our path toward healing, integrity and freedom. Obama is a strong leader of a free country. It is the 'free' part that alarms the Repub. They want the old GOP destroyed America back so they can destroy her even more. They got rich while the people become poor. They got rich, while the environment upon which the future of our children rides was destroyed for their greed. Nope. No thanks. Bye bye.

Obama has set race relations in the US back 50 years.

rush is now teaching republicans that they are rubber and liberals are glue. also that liberals are big fat poopyheads, but it sounds more grown up to say 'marxist'. then jump up and down and go Hitler hitler hitler and commie commie commie and kenya kenya kenya, which is the grown up republican way of shouting neener neeneer boo boo.

obama has set peckerwood delusions of adequacy back a bunch, give ya that.

Denocrat or Republican, if the public cannot see how Obama goes against his talk of uniting America it wouldn't be apparent unless it hit you with a truck! He has done things that no sitting president has done that I am aware of such as giving 'Rolling Stone' magazine an interview accusing Fox Media of being a threat to stability in the U.S., and making the statement just a couple days ago at a University where he said the Republican party is using 'fear mongering.'

How can those statement, as well as others be conducive to unification of the American people? He has the right to think, as well as say these things, but like the preacher in Florida had the right to burn the Korans, is it right to do? Is it a smart thing to do? I hear people saying that he is maybe the most divisive president in recent history. Obama has a habit of trying to make people, even Democrats that don't go along with his ideology as misinformed or still caught up in the 'old ways' of America. Maybe he should realize that we don't want to fundamentally change America, just fix the areas that don't work anymore. I personally don't like being talked to as if I am not up to speed.

Denocrat or Republican, if the public cannot see how Obama goes against his talk of uniting America it wouldn't be apparent unless it hit you with a truck! He has done things that no sitting president has done that I am aware of such as giving 'Rolling Stone' magazine an interview accusing Fox Media of being a threat to stability in the U.S., and making the statement just a couple days ago at a University where he said the Republican party is using 'fear mongering.'

Don't you think it is a little sad that telling the truth is a radical thing for the president to do.

I hear people saying that he is maybe the most divisive president in recent history.

Yes he refuses to appease the evil people in the Republican party so they manipulate the stupid people against him

Maybe he should realize that we don't want to fundamentally change America, just fix the areas that don't work anymore

You do see how those two statements contradict one another, The system is corrupt you need to completely replace the system in order to fix the corruption. You say you don't like it when you are thought of as ill informed but you clearly are because President Obama has done nothing to change the system.

I personally don't like being talked to as if I am not up to speed

Then you should probably get up to speed.

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I like how the righties think they can spout whatever they want...but when a democrat strikes back they start crying and calling it unprofessional.

such as giving 'Rolling Stone' magazine an interview

Oh, the scandal of it all.

[looks around desperately for a fainting couch]

/s

How would you know? Race relations my 4ss. . .

Oh, the scandal of it all.

[looks around desperately for a fainting couch]

/s

LOL.

By the way, in your mind, was there ever a time when "race relations" were good? If so, when was it?

Polling says it has been going down since last year, and SHARPLY since June...not saying it was good but definitely not as good as this time, even a year ago.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 36% of voters now say relations between blacks and whites are getting better. That's down from 62% in July of last year at the height of the controversy involving a black Harvard professor and a white policeman. That number had fallen only slightly to 55% in April of this year.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/october_2010/voters_are_much_less_optimistic_about_black_white_relations

By the way, in your mind, was there ever a time when "race relations" were good? If so, when was it?

I asked a particular person if there was ever a time when, in his mind, "race relations" were good. I'm waiting for an answer from him.

As far as your poll goes, unless they ask people about their own, personal "race relations", and not their their impressions of what "race relations" are with other people, it's not really an indication of the state of "race relations". By the way, I really get the impression that you're positively ecstatic over that poll, LOL.

unless they ask people about their own, personal "race relations", and not their their impressions of what "race relations" are with other people, it's not really an indication of the state of "race relations".

Oh but I think it is actually an indicator of how people perceive the relations to be....to me that is more indicative than anything.

By the way, I really get the impression that you're positively ecstatic over that poll, LOL.

Why because I seeded an article about it and then used the same poll here as well, which goes to the point of this seeded article?

Well, actually I think it is terribly sad that people perceive that the relationships between races has gotten worse (much so) in the last year under Obama's leadership or lack thereof. No, I am not happy or "ecstatic" about it - it really is truly sickening that we have a Prez who feels the need to call out whole sections of populations and play the class warfare card, the race baiting card, etc.

It is sad but epitomizes what is happening under Obama.

what i dont get is why people think that obama is the only one race baiting (i truly dont think he is) and the opposition has a halo over their head.

Who said he was the only one?

This discussion isn't about who is worse. Even though you may want it to be to deflect criticism from the obvious.

hello beverly,

the racial tensions in this country are at a 40 year high. Much of this is due to Obamas attitude that if you don't agree with him you are a racist. that has spread throughout the public realm.

Obama is the ring master and he directs the circus

when i saw the racist and/or bigotry going on during the campaign, i knew it wasnt just about policy. some of the things he has done i dont agree with, and im sure im not the only one, but its all about how u display those grievances. pictures of him and michelle dressed up like a pimp and prostitute, the front lawn of the white house displayed as a watermelon patch, food stamps with his face in the center portraying obama bucks, etc. this stuff was coming from republican officials. now how do those things say, "i dont agree with his proposed/enacted policies".

the racial tensions in this country are at a 40 year high. Much of this is due to Obamas attitude that if you don't agree with him you are a racist. that has spread throughout the public realm.

i agree that racial tensions are high, but i dont believe its due to obamas attitude. when u see things that i mentioned above, can u really blame his base for jumping on the defensive?

he racial tensions in this country are at a 40 year high.

"Racial tensions" are at a 40 year high...for you:). No, I wouldn't even say that, because "racial tensions" are always high for people like you. I guess you could say that the explicitness of your racial tension is high right now, and well...we know why:).

'Rolling Stone' magazine

Its a shame that they have become the liberal rag they are...

Rolling Stone' magazine

Its a shame that they have become the liberal rag they are...

People say the weirdest things on here, LOL.

but its true...
Weird is wonderful!

No, it's weird that you said Rolling Stone has become liberal.

Ahhh i see my faux pas!
Always was liberal!
Thanks plantsmantx!!

Obama has set race relations in the US back 50 years.

Well, he most certainly did. He had the nerve to get elected to the highest office in the country.

How uppity of him.

Well, he most certainly did. He had the nerve to get elected to the highest office in the country.

Nice job that just set back race relations another ten years

......and yes, we know you are going to say that was sacrasm but you still have to answer if not to anyone else but yourself...why those kinds of thoughts run around in your head. It doesnt serve any purpose except to racism to further your ideal of your party's agenda...thanks for keeping racism around ...next time just try calling for racism to end...yes I know, not part of the "Democrat of today"(socialist) philosophy.....but give a chance.....and it is exactly what is going through your mind as to why it is stupid idea or that I am an idiot as to why your point set race relations back ten years. Your either calling for racism to end or part of the problem...pick one

His efforts for unity were labeled "pacifist community leader." The GOP's and TP's efforts to fight this unification, which caused more division now, has him a race baiter. Criticism for the sake of criticism.

Nice job that just set back race relations another ten years

In other words, the individual screen-named trm2008 just "set back race relations another ten years" because the individual screen-named trm2008 typed something you didn't like, right? Looks to me like you're looking for justification, LOL. As I told someone else here...you don't have to justify it.

Your either calling for racism to end or part of the problem...pick one

Well, both trm2008 and I know that your idea of "racism ending" is for black people to begin to put up with it without complaint. In your mind, at that point, "race relations" will be wonderful:).

thanks for showing your non support of ending racism...obviously you have no clue and are not here to help end racism...you are part of the problem...doesnt mean that you cant change.....but lets ask this question since you brought up the subject.....

your idea of "racism ending" is for black people to begin to put up with it without complaint.

Would people complain if racism ended?......and also since when did I ever suggest putting up with anything?.....Never because there is an alternative to create something greater than what you suggest...we can do better will you?

Bing!

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Sorry, tea potty, you lose event if you win big in November. Race is a huge part of the problem but has nothing to do with Obama as a race baiter.

The tea potty wants to take the country back to a time when there was no doubt of white superiority [race baiting]. They didn't start hollering take back until the black man was elected. It's tuff telling angry white people that the America of the founding fathers no longer exists and that America won't/can't be dragged back to that period. It's bad enough that the taxed enough already [tea] potty thinks it's over taxed despite the federal tax breaks that they've been enjoying. The tea potty had to claim that they are like the real 18th century tea party that was upset because they really did have taxation without representation.

HUH!

That's revisionist history for us. A group of people owned by corporate interests is bellyaching on behalf of corporate interest claiming they don't have power over their reduced taxation and that federal government needs to be small. That's not what they would be saying if Obama was not president [race baiting]. These knuckle heads don't seem to understand that throwing out incumbents will not get federal government reduced and if reduced federal government does happen, it means that there must be increased state and/or local government, or not: remember the house burned to the ground in Olbion County, Tennesse due in part to small local government?

billy-witchdoctor-com tell us then how do we end racism, you seem to have an answer? I am not really getting any kind of idea from the things you type, your post above is vague. So set us straight and give us the solution.

thanks for showing your non support of ending racism

Yeah:) Always glad to help, LOL.

As I said before, at this point, there is no doubt about what you think "ending racism" involves. Most of us just can't become what you would require us to become in order to "end racism".

doesnt mean that you cant change...

Please...what was this all about...

Well, he most certainly did. He had the nerve to get elected to the highest office in the country.

Nice job that just set back race relations another ten years

..if it wasn't about you using what one individual typed in on keyboard on the Internet as an excuse not to "change" in terms of your attitude toward a whole group of people? Hey, I know it's horribly unaccommodating of me not to act as if I'm being successfully bull@!$%#ted, but...:).

Would people complain if racism ended?

Would people complain if "racism ended", according to your definition of "racism ending"? Well, I don't know, generally speaking. I do know black people wouldn't complain, because in your mind, the very definition of "racism ending" has to do with blacks not complaining, LOL. It has nothing to do with racist acts against black people ending...they'll still occur...we just wouldn't complain about them any more, right?;) Once again...my heartfelt apologies for not pretending to be successfully bull@!$%#ted:).

Do you really want to end racism? we could do it tommorow...just requires participation by at least 90 percent of Americans... and that is based on self management...we set a timeline...say for example 12 noon tommorow, then between now and then we each individually create a context(life operating principle) which we are willing to live from that gives each individual that ability to treat all humans as equals and also addresses each individuals willingness to believe that racism can end, so that people can alter their belief system so that they would of their own free will choose to believe that racism can end, and have principles to live by that were created by the individual... then we agree 12 noon to start and from that time on we have ended racism in America and we can set the example for the world to see. What does need to be addressed is the willingness to believe that this can be done...that is what gets in way.....but here is an example of how racism can end...an actual solution, with a simple implementation plan...but there is a solution....I am sure there can be others...but what can one pperson do...just ask you to manage yourself, and lets all come together for one time in history and create a racially free America.

How uppity of him.

rush said exactly that.

he doesn't know his place, huh..shiftless and lazy maybe? give him an inch and he'll take a mile? do you reserve the right to refuse service to him? plantation mentality? sloping criminal forehead? does he hanker your wimmenfolk? does he bear the mark of cain?

republican amnesia is something to behold,

rightwing pundits started the race baiting during the 2008 election, they have been hammering it ever since, when the polls started to look good for the GOP in august, some of them got brave and joined in. now we are close to an election the Dem's are calling the right out, for their race baiting and homophobia, and their shady financial backers, and they try to turn it back on Obama.

i just hope that the majority of americans are not as stupid as the republicans think they are.

just ask you to manage yourself, and lets all come together for one time in history and create a racially free America.

"Managing myself" isn't the problem. The problem is people who don't want to manage themselves, and want me to be affected by their lack of management. By the way, if that was an answer to klm's question, her comment still stands- you're still being quite vague.

Thank you Plantsmantx because I read that and I am still thinking huh? Though I feel there are many who harbor racist tendencies they would like to squelch or hide because they know its wrong. There are a TON of folks in this country who have NO intention of changing thier ways and are in fact proud of to be be racists. I'm not talking about racial pride about talking about hate, though there can be a blurry line for some folks, they don't seem to know the difference.

How do we end racism? It seems to me that what has really happened the last couple of years is that there has just been some salt poured on the already open wound of racism in this country. A wound that many have tried to forget was festering.

Everybody stop a minute and take a deep breath. Racism is an individual character flaw. We are all a little biased because of the face we see in the mirror. Everyone needs to be judged individually, but most of all you need to first judge yourself.

Those that are openly racist have personal issues. You can't change them, they are doomed to be confined by their own ignorance. The ONLY thing you can do is constantly evaluate your own feelings and make sure you don't get stuck on stupid. JMHO

we could do it tommorow...just requires participation by at least 90 percent of Americans... and that is based on self management...we set a timeline...say for example 12 noon tommorow, then between now and then we each individually create a context(life operating principle) which we are willing to live from that gives each individual that ability to treat all humans as equals and also addresses each individuals willingness to believe that racism can end,

Well DAYUM! I think you are on to something there Billy! WHY didn't anyone else think of such a sure-fire, fool-proof plan such as that one?

While we are at it, can we end all wars and throw in world peace?

And why stop there?

At 12 noon tomorrow, we can all have super strength and the ability to fly sky high, we can all have a pet unicorn and a dragon to protect our pet unicorn, and we can all be wealthy, beautiful, young, thin and popular.

I mean if you are going to make up fairytale solutions to solve our nation's problems, you might as well get creative.

you want specific examples of race baiting and class warfare? BTW, one is just as bad as the other in my book:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTVjab2cHgk&feature=player_embedded#! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJoLftlARf8">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pUeDfoukpk&feature=player_embedded

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2010/04/26/the-great-divider-obama-pulls-out-race-card-in-address-video/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTVjab2cHgk&feature=player_embedded#!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJoLftlARf8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNoJ0q6HrK8&feature=related

sorry, it wouldn't let me edit the above post --- grrrr!

you want specific examples of race baiting and class warfare? BTW, one is just as bad as the other in my book:

I watched the video...and none of them were about Obama race baiting. nice try though

really, which one?

By the way, if that was an answer to klm's question, her comment still stands- you're still being quite vague.

I ask the question from the beggining...do you really want to end racism....I got my answer from the Democrat

plantsmantx...votes no

Ohiogal........votes no

Why is it that the Democrat will claim to be non racial but then will call a solution a fairytale then offer no solution.....this is why the democrat will always keep racism in place...they need it more than they want a solution that will end racism. Too bad, you have a choice ...be part of the solution or part of the problem...you chose the problem...and chose to share it with the nation...see you in November.

Sorry, tea potty, you lose event if you win big in November. Race is a huge part of the problem but has nothing to do with Obama as a race baiter

Maybe you could explain to us if race has nothing to with Obama being a race baiter...what is it that has something to with Obama being a race baiter? really if it isnt race...what makes him a race baiter?

How do we end racism?

We can't. For me, the question is "How do we mitigate the practical effects of racism to the greatest degree possible?", and the best tool we have to use toward that end is the law. That's as good as it's going to get.

Some groups just enjoy playing the "victim" role.

...you mean like the people complaining about Obama being a "race-baiter"? It's strange, LOL. Some of you can't stop reciting from the script even when it doesn't fit, LOL.

Plantsman: Funny...you pulled from the same script of ASSuming my position.

No, I pulled it from your statement of your position.

Oh..and I have seen you and Ohiogals comments on many articles before. You love to be the victim ... it's old.

...reading from the script again, and that's even older. Yes, we know what you pretend to believe a "victim" is when it comes to black people. I've used this analogy before, so maybe you've seen it, lol- if you ran up to me on the street and slammed me in the head with a brick, and I even complained about it, let alone turned around and retaliated in kind, I'm a "black victim". On the other hand, if I endured it in silence or even asked for more, I'm "one of the good ones". I'd get extra brownie points if I blamed white liberals and/or other black people for causing me to get hit in the head...right?:)

How do we end racism?

We can't.

The answer is you wont....remember like it or not ...think it is stupid...but a solution that can actually work was presented the choice has been yours all along.

Rather than mitigate: how about a breakthrough:

You know the day destroys the night
Night divides the day
Tried to run
Tried to hide
Break on through to the other side

I found an island in your arms
Country in your eyes
Arms that chain
Eyes that lied
Break on through to the other side
The Doors

I suspect that this Democrat party values in action...I wonder what do you tell people...."Hey look I know racism is wrong and well dang, you people of color are just going to have to accept it....there is some right wing whack job Conservative out that believes we can end racism....but trust me you dont want anything to do with that....really...the best you can hope for is mitigation...under my plan racism will never end, we are just going to lessen the effects....people of color, folks of backgrounds from Africa, the Middle East, and Asia, Latin America...this is the best you can hope for, unless you are white....ending racism...a screwy ideal...but that is what we are going to give you...but trust me what ever you do....do not listen to the guy who wants to end racism listen to me because it is all the Republicans fault, does this Republican whack job want to give you mitigation?
Hell no...he keeps shooting off his racial mouth about ending racism...you know that wont happen ...I said so and why...I proved him wrong...so just accept that it will not go away and join the Democrat party."

You want to mitigate...I want to end it...its like egss you can fry, poach, scramble.. each gives you a different outcome...you just have to choose which activity you want to accomplish...here you have chosen to mitigate, and to tell us, that this is a better option than ending racism...cause that is all you can hope for...sorry, I am just not buying it. We can end racism...with or with out you.... you are either part of the solution or part of the problem...the choice is yours...mitigation is not the solution. We can create enough voices that wil be heard that racism has ended to drown out any voice that says no racism exists and the best you can get is mitigation.

Is it me on this one? but here you have someone who:

A. Says you cant end racism, and wants to prove why.

B. Is using it for political gain, to gain superiority for his party(D)

Sir or madame ...Are you Harry Reid?

Rather than mitigate: how about a breakthrough:

I told you- I can't be what you'd require me to be in order to achieve that "breakthrough"...for you:).

I get it...you want racism to exist...but remeber that is a choice and it is your choice!...the 60,000 dollar question is why does the democrat want to keep racism around...is it:

A: It serves your parties purpose?

B: You prefer racism personally?

C: if people see possibilty, then there is no telling what will be accomplished and they might not need the Democrat?

So what is the payoff in the Democrat not ending racism?

I get it...you want racism to exist...but remeber that is a choice and it is your choice!.

It's my choice? Lil' ol' me?:). (Semi-) seriously, though- you really expect racism to go away completely? Rightists call liberals "Utopians", and I'd call you that...if I believed you:). Are you really telling me that you don't believe blacks should seek to mitigate the effects of racism? I can't imagine why you'd be against that.

So what is the payoff in the Democrat not ending racism?

Again, I'm not fooled about what your definition of "ending racism" is:). It's funny- you think you're playing the "compassionate" role here, but saying something like "...the Democrat not ending racism" is the same as telling black people they aren't possessed of personal agency and can't think and observe for themselves. All that, and I think you actually expect it to be received positively:).

If racism and racial tension eased the bobo would not have his ralling call to mobilize the democratic supporters.

It's my choice? Lil' ol' me?:). (Semi-) seriously, though- you really expect racism to go away completely? Rightists call liberals "Utopians", and I'd call you that...if I believed you:). Are you really telling me that you don't believe blacks should seek to mitigate the effects of racism? I can't imagine why you'd be against that.

What is the purpose of lessening the effext...and again herein lies the difference of th Democrat and Republican

Democrat:(Mitigation) My foot is on your throat so I will not apply as much pressure.

Republican: We can end racism.

It comes down to who really wants to end racism politcally ....this is the best offer yet I have had from the Democrat...just like in 1964 the Democrats wanted to water down civil rights and now...Democrats want to "mitigate" racism vs ending it.

Again, I'm not fooled about what your definition of "ending racism" is:). It's funny- you think you're playing the "compassionate" role here, but saying something like "...the Democrat not ending racism" is the same as telling black people they aren't possessed of personal agency and can't think and observe for themselves. All that, and I think you actually expect it to be received positively:).

Now I dont know where you come up with this...sounds like you feel boxed into a corner...it must be tough to no be able to have faith or believe that people can be genuine and actually mean what they say. As far as being compassionate...I dont think I have been compassionate at all...I just am calling the Democrat, and anyone else who doesnt want to end racism, out for what they are, part of the problem.

I have done the following:

1. Outlined a solution, which allows for racism to end.

2. Identified how we can let our own thoughts disempower ending racism and
allow racism to exist.

3. Challenged people to end racism.

But compassion is lacking, as having seen first hand what the Democrat can
do as they did at my school keeping African Americans out with the State
Police. but the problem is, that if you beat up on the Democrat for what they did in the past they will: Deny it, blame it on you, claim you go the facts wrong, so where does that leave us,...nowhere....So I am attacking the belief systems, just like yours that allow racism to exist...because anything less than ending racism is not acceptable.

Awesome.

LOL! Thanks for making my day.

That's OK 'cause Bohner is a master baiter. Don't tell Chrissy O'Donnell.

I know it'll make you go blind like it did beck but it's makin boehner the broehnless turn orange!

That's OK 'cause Bohner is a master baiter.

you have specific instances of this?

That's OK 'cause Bohner is a master baiter.

you have specific instances of this?

Are you missing the pun completely or honestly asking to go into TMI territory?

vol fan in chatt, tn

That's OK 'cause Bohner is a master baiter.

you have specific instances of this?

how about an actor that looks like boehner in Great Pumpkin makeup? There's probably a website called celebrity jerkoff or something like that if that's what gets your little republican all filibustered up.

hmm, I guess you missed the nuance of my post...next time I will put this next to it ~sarc~ so you won't get confused...and no, I really don't want the specific instances (if any)...LOL

Circle the wagons White America

No, that is what the Dems do when one of their own gets in trouble...Waters and Rangel come to mind, but of course they won't have a trial until after the election...how's that swamp draining coming, Nancy?

I think people forget that Rush and Glen Beck are entertainers. They are show biz folks.

That was also true of Ronald Reagan.

It would be wonderful to take the high ground and stay above the foolish fray Limbaugh, Beck and others create for financial gain. The problem is that somewhere around half the voting populace takes these clowns seriously and takes their paranoid ruse to heart and the polls.

Only a cowardly fool would choose to believe anything these corporate jesters spew, but they do. The operative word in the previous statement is choose. The heads: ditto, tea, and becker, all choose to believe this obvious garbage for reasons other than those expressed.

A miniscule number of people are stupid enough to truly believe that Obama is a bitter, petty person who hates America and seeks to incite racial disharmony in the US. What kind of sense does that make? True tin foil hat conspiracy stuff there. The disturbing question is why so many CHOOSE to believe it.

I just visited a seed that not one person could find anything wrong with remarks he made. Yet the leftists on this site which are aplenty became unhinged as usual for absolutely no reason. It was enough to convince me that folks simply have a blind hatred of Rush. What's interesting though is that I used to dislike the guy, but the more I see the loonies go off here on newswhine the more I am inclined to listen to him

folks simply have a blind hatred of Rush

and then

the more I see the loonies go off here on newswhine the more I am inclined to listen to him

now THAT is good sound reasoning. /face palm

he more I see the loonies go off here on newswhine the more I am inclined to listen to him

now THAT is good sound reasoning. /face palm

But don't you see it all the time, CC? "That individual said something that I can construe as them calling me a racist, so I'm going to actually be a racist against all blacks now". They're hungry for false justifications.

They're hungry for false justifications.

You hit the nail on the head with that one my friend!

Seriously? And people listen to this pig?

Rush is just angry because he has man boobs and must get an annual mammogram for that reason.

I heard the scientific term for those things were Moobs.

moobs, LMFAO!!

I wonder what his new found wife thinks of his disdain for women.

I think what he was trying to say and to get you to understand is that...

"So if you're a Democrat, if you're a liberal, any transgression is perfectly fine, it's understandable if being done for the people. But even I, your all-seeing Maha Rushie, never thought... Well, I can't say I never thought. I can't say I'm really surprised, but I guess I am somewhat surprised. From The Messiah such base, pedantic things."

...is it clearer now?

Nevermind, we already have one of those running for office!

O'Donnell has problems 'lusting' for herself.

Obama is asking for Americans to vote. It is the power of the people's vote that Creeper et al fear. In other words, don't let our country be a democracy and actually have people...gasp...voting. They won't be voting for the liars, greedy and cheaters of whom the Repubs have become synonymous. That is the problem. Smearing with unfounded race baiting of which they cannot tell you what in that he said was um... race baiting.... is typical deceptive behavior of the right wing.

Just out of curiosity has anyone ever seen BOBO eat a pork chop?

I do have 1 positive thing to say about bobo:

At least with obama, pot and cocaine don't use prescriptions just dealers.

It's "The Boy who Cried Wolf" all over again.....

Yeah, and the "boy" is Limbaugh:).

Nicole,

So well written. It really hits everything clearly and concisely. Voted up and would vote again if I could.

Nichole

from your description of gop you must be a charter member

weak... very weak

IronLung,

"Hypocrisy" is one of his middle names.

I thought "Hypocrisy" was one of his middle chins.

You think minorities need the Democrats to tell them how racist the Republicans are? Do you really think minorities can't think or see for themselves? That's kind of racist of you, isn't it?

Did you hear that one about how the GOP is ethnically diverse?

I just can't believe the lies the democrats are telling minorities about the Republicans!!???

Yeah, me either, those lying bastards!

Like the one about my ancestors in slavery being part of a well run, highly respectable business and how all the slaves were so freakin happy and content, and how slavery didn't start with white folk filling up ships with black folk and slavery was really great for America until the federal government took it over and started regulating it - then all the happy slaves became unhappy slaves!

Oh wait, THAT wasn't the Democrats - that was that ignorant teaPublinutjob prickwad Glenn Beck and FOX!

I hate to tell you this but if it was in the south prior to 1865 it was a democrat. Lincoln was the 1st Republican president. got any more misinformation there Sport.

no we respect ali

Funny...this is the first time in over half a century that I have had the President of my country, Democrat or Republican, refer to me as "the other side", previous Presidents have always been the President of the whole country...not just the ones he wants to vote for "his side".

Funny...this is the first time in more than half a century that the entire oppostion party in Congress calls the POTUS a Socialist, Marxist, Fascist or Communist and votes NO even the bills that they themselves sponsored - simply because they want him to fail.

Bush was for the whole country?
Really, didn't he say to the Democrats you're either with us or you're against us?

Didn't he call us un-Patriotic if we didn't support his wars?

Didn't he have people arrested for simply wearing tea shirts he didn't like?

How would the response be if McCain got up and told the country that all white folks need to get out and vote, because the other side is expecting you to stay home??

Wrong analogy. It's more like McCain telling rightist evangelicals that they need to get out and vote, because the other side expects then to stay at home. You're saying that because the members of the interest group that blacks Democrats are...are also black, we don't get to be an interest group. Well, it's a good thing you don't have the power to enforce that idea:).

I understand your point Plant...But it seems to be the exact analogy based on the title of the seed....O was replaced by McC...and 'black folks' replaced by 'white folks'. I am not saying that all white folks are Rep, just showing how ridiculous it sounds when the table is turned; not to mention the hysteria that would take place IF that was said by McCain. Would it be race-baiting by McCain to say something like that? Guess that answers the question about O then, unless a different standard is used for him.

.But it seems to be the exact analogy

Yes, if you willfully ignore context.

if ever there was the perfect example, mereliz, that was a good one:

See what the other side is counting on, what they're counting on is you're gonna stay home. They're counting on your silence. They're counting on your amnesia. They're counting on your apathy. They're countin' on young people staying home and union members stayin' home, and black folk stayin' home.

Another perfect example, sadly.

And this is just funny They're all crooks:

Really, didn't he say to the Democrats you're either with us or you're against us?

No he said that to a joint session of Congress after 9/11. Funny thing is Hillary said the same thing:

• Hillary Clinton said on September 13, 2001: "Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."^[4]
• President George W. Bush, in an address to a joint session of Congress on September 20, 2001 said, "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."^[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You're_either_with_us,_or_against_us

Didn't he call us un-Patriotic if we didn't support his wars?

Um, nope, unless you have a source.

Didn't he have people arrested for simply wearing tea shirts he didn't like?

Now that is the best one...I would love to see your source for that....hilarious!

Just because you say it doesn't make it so...source it!! LOL!

Didn't he have people arrested for simply wearing tea shirts he didn't like?

Now that is the best one...I would love to see your source for that....hilarious!

Federal lawsuit follows anti-Bush T-shirt arrests

well, justin, I didn't do my homework too well. After the first two, I didn't bother checking the last one. I stand corrected. My apologies.

And for the record, I think that is asinine - no matter who the Prez is. Then again, people ought to have more decorum about them.

That's fine vol, it sounds outlandish enough to have to ask about the credibility. I'll give you that.

You repubix are soooo innocent. Babes in the woods,right?

I heard there name has been changed to kleptocrats....as in kleptomania...

Hey! Name calling! I remember when I used to do that. Back in grade school. Seriously folks. What is accomplished when you stoop to that level?

I dunno - it was in response to this:

repubix

Yeah, and it's also coming from a man who stated some racially insesitive things towards Donovan McNabb a few years back as well...

Stuff like this assertion is utter nonsense.

really? What did he say?

really? What did he say?

This...

"The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is little hope invested in [Donovan] McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/01/mcnabb-gets-las.html

And he had to resign from ESPN as a result...

He never said that he wasn't a good QB because he was black, he simply said he was overrated. McNabb, he said, is

"overrated ... what we have here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback can do well—black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well." "There's a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

Slate Magazine (hardly right wing) did a piece and analyzed it and agreed with Limbaugh unbelievably:

http://www.slate.com/id/2089193/

Limpballs used to love...I mean looovvvve calling President Obama The Magic Negro. Since a black author used that term, the Limpy Balled one of course decided that meant he could misapply it to any black person he deemed a threat (which is nearly all of them in his book) and say, "it can't be racist since a black man used it first." Of course, there's a uinverse of difference in history and meaning between when a black person uses epithets of race and a white person does so. Same goes for jokes about Jews or Irish or almost any other minority--when a member of the majority makes them, it's poor taste at the very least and usually is bigoted.

Very fair assessment FrJackHackett, definitely an interestig angle.

Almost indicating in someway that all statements are benign in nature no matter how biased... but the user's intent defines the content? It's a very deep way to examine potential bigotted statements.

Quite interesting!

I do not mind saying in plain short English. I do not like or respect BOBO. He has done nothing to earn my trust or respect. In fact quite the opposite he has given me every reason to lack any belief in his abilities by the virtue of his race and class dividing actions. You and others seem to be under the impression that we are supposed to kiss the presidents ass, but it does not work that way. I bow nor kneel to no man, for any reason.

When King Barry and the 1st tramp do something worthy of acknowledgement it will be overshadowed by the abuses of privilege they have committed. The heinous disregard for America's plight, the willful waste of resources and the belligerent and belittling attitude they have taken toward America and its constitution.

I SHALL NOT BOW ,...... NOR SHALL MY KNEE BEND,...... TO ANY MAN,.......... AS LONG AS A LIFE FORCE REMAINS IN MY BODY......... OR.......... A SPIRIT FROM MY BODY SURVIVES !!

Yeah That's right. I got accused here of being racist because I preferred milk chocolate over dark.

You're just pulling the same old BS.

He has done nothing to earn my trust or respect.

Unfortunately, he often doesn't seem to understand that there's nothing he can do to earn your trust or respect. Sometimes I think that makes him an even sadder case than people like you.

he has had many opportunities to earn respect, he just keeps blowing them, again and again and again

He's had many opportunities to morph into Stepin Fetchit? I didn't know that...hmmm.

When King Barry and the 1st tramp.........says the non racist. I guess you are free to call her a tramp since you have been dreaming about sleeping with her.

Plantsmantx, I don't often give this advise, but DNFTT. Anyone that would call our First Lady "1st tramp" does not deserve the dignity of a reply.

You're absolutely right. However, I do hope he keeps posting, since he is somewhat less adept than the others at hiding his true feelings.

dr.evans

When King Barry and the 1st tramp do something worthy of acknowledgement it will be overshadowed by the abuses of privilege they have committed.

I don't know what to say other than WOW!

CCArm, you are right.

You get the feeling that some of these people are paid lemmings. They can't think for themselves. Bush was right when he said "You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." . They come on the vine hoping to fool some. When it's obvious they can't succeed, they show their sewer rat culture.

They come on the vine hoping to fool some. When it's obvious they can't succeed, they show their sewer rat culture.

Yes.

Plantsmantx you're bright ! ( no sarcasm or facetious nature to that compliment)

For the others who don't like Barack , you are entitled... I for one am neither a dem or a repub nonetheless the objective, intellectual side of my personality will not allow the summation of my political analysis to degrade into calling people prostitutes, or any of the other nonsense uttered here. What confounds me more viscious ascerbic nature of the comments that go far beyond a simple evaluation of his effectiveness as a president.... but seem to intimate an undercurrent of hatred that could potentially spring from bigotry. NOW before the chorus starts to sing.. please note I said it COULD potentially spring from bigotry.. not that it always does. The worst part about seeing the Barack backlash played out in front of the rest of the world... is that for the first time in umpteen years the World finally respects the leader of our country...while watching moronic citizens who prefer to deal in insults in lieu of policy issues... almost seems to confirm the popular notion about the ignorance of the average American citizen.

Just a thought.

Simon Templar wrote:

Just a thought.

And an interesting thought it is indeed.

#25.14...I don't think so, but thanks...and the opinion is mutual:).

What confounds me more viscious ascerbic nature of the comments that go far beyond a simple evaluation of his effectiveness as a president....

We saw this with Clinton, but the producers and consumers of the really crazy stuff were a tiny group, compared to what's going on with Obama's Presidency. Not only that, but the number of Congressional Republicans who either joined in or openly egged it on was much smaller, as well. Yeah, you had Dan Burton shooting a watermelon in an effort to try to prove...something about Vince Foster's death, but that wasn't entirely unexpected from him. It would have been much more shocking to see someone like Charles Grassley indulging in anything anywhere near as silly, but fast forward to 2010, and there's Mister Moderate Republican himself, talking craziness about "death panels".

True Plants... quite true. Thanks Knight Templar.

I am going to forward this notion without being too longwinded...as I am sure it will cause much unrest on this site once it's read. There is a sense of entitlement that most white men have when it comes to societal interactions. In some cases it can easily be mistaken for racism, yet it has close ties to the condescending way in whites might judge other ethnicities. I can't tell you how often the following things occurr... much of which is due to my race

1. co-workers assuming I am the hired help
2. assumptions of no post grad educations
3. assuming I am not quite as smart
4. assuming I am not as capable

This list goes on, but they are all very subtle ways of demeaning the aggreggate value of an individual that can be percieved as racist. I grew up in an unnamed part of America that was all white, ( I was the only black kid in the entire city). I eventually academically outperformed all of my white counterparts hands down, and low and behold... I suddenly became an elitist. I truly think deep down inside of most authoritative white males is an inability to really accept the notion a minority might have a greater cerebral capacity or, greater mental capabilities.... which is born out by the list of four assumptions I made above. NOW before the chorus sings again... this in NO WAY means that there is no valid criticism of President Obama... I have plenty of them to make myself. However, long before he even won the election, he was just campaigning... and you could hear the white male media induced buzz... "he is just articulate"... "he is an elitist".... all carefully handcrafted phrases which IMO highlight the issue I am speaking about, and have absolutely nothing to do with the merit of his character or true IQ. Additionally, from the onset of his campaign there have been concerted efforts by fringe groups demeaning his presidential presence... by equating him to black militants, giving high five's to his wife with a 70's black power Afro.. Ala New York Times. Or even the episode by which Chip Saltzman , then bidding head for the RNC..happily sang the Barack the Magic Negro song ( or quoted it at least). All of these were racially demeaning characterizations specifically meant to diminish his percieved capacity as a smart, capable president.

Race is inextricably interwoven into every single social fabric in this country. It impacts the way we interact, percieve each other, and ultimately how we socialize as groups. Truth is Barack is pretty smart, one of the highest presidential IQ's in history... yet I probably disagree with half the things he has done. However for Congressional members to intentionally hold the nation hostage with filibusters, votes of cloture, or this "Unified front of NO" to all presidential actions... without even judging the merit of the legislation... has to be driven by an element of race, well covered up by partisan rhetoric.

Okay people, let the fun begin.

election update,

heavy early voting in democrat areas in Ohio, beltway pundits lost for words,

new predictions, Dem's will hold house, and senate.

Simon Templar-791084 wrote:

Race is inextricably interwoven into every single social fabric in this country. It impacts the way we interact, percieve each other, and ultimately how we socialize as groups. Truth is Barack is pretty smart, one of the highest presidential IQ's in history... yet I probably disagree with half the things he has done. However for Congressional members to intentionally hold the nation hostage with filibusters, votes of cloture, or this "Unified front of NO" to all presidential actions... without even judging the merit of the legislation... has to be driven by an element of race, well covered up by partisan rhetoric.

Okay people, let the fun begin.

Simon, it does appear that way. I for one, contend that the office of the President of the United States is STILL the Office of the President of the United States. It should not matter what color the person who holds the office is. It's the POTUS, for god's sake. If Senator's and Congressmen have a problem with his race, then we need NEW Senator's and Congressmen. They have corrupted and blocked every change he has tried to make. I'm hoping November finds a new environment in DC. One that brings our government back to the way it was intended to be. Of the people, by the people and for the people.

Good thoughts @ Knight Templar, you are like me in that we are both idealists. There is a level of beauracracy in Washington whereby people become firmly entrenched within the system.... it almost makes it impossible for quick changes to occurr... many changes must take several administrations... and long periods of time. Which is why I do not lend too much of my political perspectives to a partisan environment...because just like Barack inherited G Bush issues, so did G Bush inherit Clinton issues... and so and and so forth. It's a cycle that provides neither political party with the right to boast about a gain or loss.

Yet we on the "Vine" are willing to committ all of our political thoughts to one party or another. Objectivity is always hard to achieve.

I haven't seen you around for while Simon. Good to read you again.

Everything you said is the truth. I know, I also grew up in a predominately white town having been born a redskinned person myself. The white half of me wasn't enough to spare me some agony about it. Funny thing is, my brother who is older than me, managed to out-succeed every white kid we grew up athletically as well as academically back then ..and now as a grown-up, he's economically outsucceeded them, their parents and grandparents combined. The racism we had to deal with was a motivating factor for my brother. His determination, like yours, carried him the entire time (almost to the point of narcissm, sadly) .. He too was out to prove the naysayers wrong that he was someone born inferior to them by heritage and skincolor. I have heard many voices from our past state their chided opinions about his successfulness. They've even said things like he received financial help from the government b/c he was Indian. (BIA grants, etc. things they didn't get b/c they were white.) However, that is simply not true nor is anywhere representative of the truth. He never used avenues like that. He purposely chose not to and really has no knowledge if he could have use any avenues. He never walked down that road and neither did I. Instead, he worked hard his entire life, made good choices and by doing so, created a successful self-made man. He always used his brain, he set goals and didn't stop till he achieved them. Today he's a multi-gazillionaire. (Although money isn't there is all to it or the final answer in what defines success.) And yes, although I believe LUCK has every thing to do with anyone having a fighting chance no matter your skin color, i.e., born with good brains, good mentors, access to education, etc. It still is a matter of determining what you want out of life. What motivates you.

Racism can be a good motivator, not only about life successes but making changes that we don't like. We've seen this country move a long ways out of it's ugliness. I can only hope mankind moves beyond it but somehow I think mankind will always be ignorant this way to some degree. We seem to breed much of it. I hope the future prove me wrong.

Being born with any other skin color but white in this country does mean you have to deal with unfair ridicule and whispers of underlying bigotry, racism and prejudice if not blatantly rude at times. NO matter what the truth is, or what can be proved, there will be those people that will always hang onto their prejudices. It is so evident all over this thread, it isn't even funny.

I just want to say this because it bothers me a little bit with regard to how people are treated growing up. Being born white and very poor is no picnic either. I was born into a mostly ignorant, white, redneck, abusive, alcoholic family with one tragedy after another as the way it goes with poor alcoholic families. I was so terrified and confused growing up that I couldn't learn in school and just struggled to cope.

I got married at 18 because in these kinds of families, you're 18 and considered an adult so you need to get out. I didn't love my husband but something in me made me determined to have a successful marriage and break the cycle of divorce, abuse, alcohol and drugs in my family. I have three children and raised them all to think they are wonderful and special because they are to me. The marriage ended after 27 years but I feel my success is that my adult children are all healthy, happy, intelligent and college educated. Non of them drink or do drugs and they are successful in their careers.

My way of overcoming my childhood was not to pass the same on to my children. Now at the age of 57 I look at people with a bit more tender heartedness because everyone struggles and has struggled and no one knows what others have been through....unless you've been there.....and I don't see color and never have. I admit I have a difficult time with alcoholics and people who are abusers because they can do better and what they are doing is wrong. I'm trying to have a better attitude about that too though.

My whole point is it doesn't matter what color people are. In my view, women, especially poor women are the absolute lowest rung on society's totem pole and it doesn't matter their skin color. I'm not discounting anyone's story here, I just want to add another one to the mix.

Elaine ,

It s so great to hear success stories. When we think of racism, its always in black and white. Most people don't think about the class system.

People don't think they are bigots when they refer to people as poor white trash, from the trailer park or blacks who live in tenement housing and feed off the welfare system.

Fortunately, a lot of these people are much better than their critics.

Someone said of a guy that robbed a fast food restaurant where he was employed, that he got caught because he thought he could get away with it. "Not even they guys at Enron got away with stealing and they were a lot smarter". Forgetting that they are all thieves, none smarter than the other.

Thank you for your kind words Fletch. I really do wish the national discussion would get off race and recognize exactly what you said, that the bigots are those people who think they are better than the poor. I have to say, as poor as we were as children, and I do mean poor....my mother bathed us in the bayou, we didn't have running water.....we were the cleanest, most well mannered little poor children you've ever seen. That's because my mother cared, she was the only one in my life who did and she was treated very badly by her alcoholic family and my alcoholic father. She overcame too and is probably the reason I did.

I saw an interview Bill O'Reilly did one time with another man about the problem of unwed mothers in society. And I wrote him a scathing reply....who does he think made these women un-wed mothers? MEN that's who....who are only interested in sex and then dump the women and the children. And to see two powerful men on TV discussing this as though the women are the scourge of society just crawled all over me. The same with prostitutes....why do they think they exist? Because of MEN that is why. They never criticize the men who are paying for it and using these women. These poor women are trying to cope and survive, and men with plenty of money are paying them.....not helping them....just buying sex from them. Absolutley shameful. Society has a long way to go.

I also like your example of the guy working at the fast food restaurant who robbed his employer and the Enron guys. A poor blue collar thief and rich white collar thieves....none smarter than the other is right.

HI Elaine, I apologize, I haven't dropped this seed, I just haven't had more than a few minutes here and there to write at the NV and yours deserved much more response than a few minutes.
First, It is no picnic growing up poor but luckily your Mom had a lot going for her decision in makng the best of it and helping you realize the importance of a loving family structure regardless of life circumstances. Believe me, although I grew up not poor and from a family structure of actual social involvement on a higher scale than most I knew (statesmanship) I did not take on my brother's competitive nature in that same way. Instead, I became the champion of the underdogs of life and never allowed myself to be an underdog no matter what others thought or said. A lot of that came from having a great step-mother who would not allow me to be a victim of my heritage, my gender or my time in life. Also, her strong stance on not allowing victims of anything in our family was also what set my brother's path. We were extremely lucky that way. (Life is about luck and what we do with it if we can even recognize it when we get it. Some may never even see a glimpse of luck, sadly --and those are the ones I help to this day.) My mother allowed us our own reign, to develop our own social conscience.

My best friends-- when I was a kid growing up, was what others in the community would call trailer trash. They came in all colors, but predominately white. They were great kids. I didn't mind their poverty and they didn't care I had reddish skin. Instead of hating the bully folks who tried to castigate, I pitied their inability to be compassionate b/c truly, it wasn't the kids on the playground that were so mean, it was their parents. Harper Valley, PTA, as it were. I swear they wrote that song and the TV show Peyton Place about my town and its people.

For all those impoverished kids I grew up with, I loved and cherished them. I stuck with them till the day we graduated highschool for the ones that didn't move away. I had no need to compete with others and in my doing for others, I became well-liked by my peers of all color and class system. I knew being smart was always going to be my best friend, so I as studious and I reached out to everyone to help them achieve as much as they could too. The kids I grew up with were not their parents. I can't think of anyone who was really a bully anymore the older we got. Even from the 4 years difference between my brother's peers and mine. It was a social evolution to a great degree. SO truly, if you ask me, we effected change way back when just by not being victims of other's cruelty. All within about a dozen years.

Out of my own achievements as they were, I helped the ones around me who had it so much worse than I did b/c of their lack of luck, i.e. poverty or whathaveyou, (mostly social injustices, if you ask me.) My friends were literally hungry, so oftentimes I'd make 5-6 extra PBJ sandwiches in the morning and would take them to share with these other kids or I'd give up my lunch pass oftentimes and give it to one of my friends as I knew it might be their only meal of the day and it broke my heart. I also was a huge Oliver and Sound of Music fan when I was a child, which those things surely helped shape that poverty or hunger ought not be tolerated. And the idea, even the luckiest folks in the world aren't exempt from angst, nor are they better than anyone else.

Like when I was a kid, I would help my dear little friends with school work, go on campaigns to gather shoes, coats, and some decent clothes to help them. Pretty soon, many of the other kids were working with me to help these kids too. It became a social thing that we can look back on and be proud of in our youth. That was 45 years ago from my earliest awareness to that early development of helping others. We all became colorblind and classblind in my school. I am proud of that growth in my own community even when it started out being pretty tough.

So I believe wholeheartedly you take your worst nightmares of reality and you use them to help turn not only your own world but others who need that hand up. It works. Never be a victim of anything or anyone. Don't ever let them get you down and it's a good thing to help others not be prey or predators. If others are down, help where you can.
Thanks for listening and thanks for sharing your story too.

Hi Robin, thanks for writing that thoughtful response and addressing it to me. I'm really not trying to de-rail Grim's article, I just wanted to add my thoughts to the discussion on race issues and growing up disadvantaged. I think you'll be very blessed for every kindness you've shown to those less fortunate. And I really wish the entire world would see that we are all the same, and all are worthy of dignity. If we could only love enough, it would change the world.

It was addressed to you Elaine and you're welcome. And you're right. I had no idea it was doing good work, just that it was wrong to be any other way. I was just a kid and I wanted to help and love everyone and have everyone feel love. I knew self-esteem is everything starting at very early ages.
As you can see, bullies will always come out of the woodwork. Just to be mean for no reason at all other than to show what jerkdom is. At least they show us who they are, so there is that.

Reality12. Save it AND yourself. Put me on your ignore list. You may want to realize in your attempt at bullying that you aren't being forced to read anyone here. You also don't get to call the shots about what others want to say or listen to. IF the Grim wants to creep, it's his job, not yours. I got my message to whom I wanted. I could care less at this point if I'm deleted or not.

I really do wish the national discussion would get off race and recognize exactly what you said, that the bigots are those people who think they are better than the poor.

Why does it have to be an either/or situation? You stated above that you're white, but you didn't really have to. Anyone who thinks (or says they think) the definition of "bigot" is limited to people who think they're better than the poor is almost certainly not black.

done.

Plant, I guess I see your point. The discussion was generally about minority race disadvantages growing up and I thought I'd throw in my two cents from a non-minority disadvantaged childhood. Bigotry is defined as intolerance for others, so it doesn't apply to any race, just to the attitude of individuals no matter what their skin color is.